Yes abortion is murder, if you know the story ladies get on the pill injection, norplant, coil, female condom, ask him to wear one. If you are done having kids get the tubal ligation.
Today I am here for the fellows though, the guys, gents, niggas, brothers, the men.
Bloggers would you ever consider getting castrated? I mean having a vasectomy.
What are the implications of a vasectomy…if it is only kids, then it is better to have one after you have had your kids…
nop
Emrys why would u not?
No way,
reason: God fobid if i lose my kids to…watever, i need achance to get more.
Abortion is not murder. There is no malice aforethought. See, you are not doing it coz you have strong feelings against the fetus.
Hi. My name is antipop and i hate when people demonise the right to choice
Antipop…right to choice:Deut 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing:therefore choose life,that both thou and thy seed may live:
You have right to choice, but what kind of choice?
thank you Nev!thank you so very much cos i had no rebuttal for Antipop!
the fact that you do not want this baby and do not want it to see the light of day and you’ll do anything to have it out of your system…those are pretty strong feelings against the foetus!!!
You are a bitch channel!! Shut up and got to hell!
You are still a child Spartakus grow some balls. See with all you anti aborton sentiments you cant even find one word to say about vasectomy. Stand up and be counted. Eish
snip snip! that i shall definitely have done.
Antipop: Murder doesn\’t have to have malice after. It has only to be pre-meditated killing.
Abortion is pre-meditated, and it is killing. See this other post of Chanel\’s for the debate about whether or not it is killing.
Nevender: That may work for people who see the Bible as authoritative. But what about those who don\’t?
Chanel: Well, I can\’t rule out wanting to get a vasectomy later, but my current feelings about it are that is basically saying \”Never\”. Never say Never.
See Edsulah\’s worry, for example.
At some point, one may become less biased to the idea.
Antipop: In short, murder has to have a motive. And abortion has the motive of convenience. It is basically the same charge we bring against Idi Amin when we know that he aborted some inconvenient citizens because he had the power over them to do it.
(Note: I am not against murder or the repression of dissidents by killing. I am against pretending that abortion is somehow different from all these other forms of killing with (sometimes unjust) motive.)
Nev (From your post), 27th, (from above comment), like it or not, you can not rank crime/evil/wrong at the same level. Nicking One hundred shillings from somebody’s purse is not quite the same as breaking into somebody’s house, making off with their property, and say raping the maid/ killing her in the process. Are you both thieves? Yes. But are you going to get the same sentence? Heck no. .
Abortion; are you getting rid of a fetus(please note, not person)?, yes. Heaven, is it because you hate it so much? No. You can not hate something you do not know, or you have not interacted with. Do people(we?) do it for convenience? Yes. Is it a crime to want to live a comfortable, hussle free life? I say no.
Call it Manslaughter if you must. But murder, it is not.
For God and My country
Antipop, in fact some are of the view that killing a baby whose promise is more than that of any yet born is worse than any other form of murder. If I pillage a house and rape those in it, and then kill them, I’m evil. Some would now say I’m even worse when I stab their baby as well.
After all, if life expectancy, for example, is what make my crime worse (so that killing a 114-year-old would be considered kind euthanasia), then stabbing a baby is the worse possible crime that involves taking a life.
It is not manslaughter, since it is pre-meditated. If you hit the woman in a traffic accident and the baby is pre-maturely ejected and dies (abortion without motive or pre-meditation), that’s manslaughter, yes. Since clinical abortion is pre-meditated and with motive, it is murder.
Not that murder is bad. But that is what abortion is. Let’s not fuck around with terms here.
And that foetus-person dichotomy is false. After all, I was born pre-mature. I was, technically, a foetus for a long time where the law would have killed my killers.
I agree that there is a line before which we are not dealing with a human, but I don’t assume the huge burden of defining it. As always, check out that post of Chanel’s which has my rant on this.
Also, Antipop, all murders are for convenience. Especially when, say, you kill a spouse or your child or your neighbour, or the guard at the bank. And yes, murder, well-executed, leads to a better life.
And don’t feel bad about being ready to kill for convenience. Many people do it, and we are happy! Murderers are very successful throughout history.
Our convenience is paid for with blood. Aren’t we so cool?
The abortion question is not as simple: Should we murder babies?
The true questions are: What is life? What is Death? And Does God exist?
That is why you will never resolve that issue. Because those questions can not be answered.
Oh, yeah. I just got philosophical up in hurr!
Rev, if we are working on assumptions here, i might throw it back to you and say maybe that baby had the promise of being a future Kony.
My whole point in this Rev is that abortion is not a moral issue!
Kati Baz you are even conusing us more.
the simple question here is: do we, as human beings, have the authority to choose who (according to how convenient it is for us) lives and who dies? and the answer is NO!
*confusing
Heaven!, what I mean is, how are you going to tell a person who doesn’t believe in God that a zygote has a soul and a destiny and was created with a divine purpose and deserves to be born and live it out? To people who don’t believe in God, a zygote might as well be an toenail that can be clipped off.
Me i’ll just answer Chanel’s qn; No i can never have a vasectomy. It’ll make me feel less of a man.
for starters, castration and a vasectonomy are two totally different things.
castration – removing the balls
vasectomy – cutting the tubes only but no removal of anything
i think getting a vasectomy is a good idea although African men have issues with it…. with the exception of the special 3 aka eleet aka nikolas
“What is life? What is Death? And Does God exist?”
I think Baz is right. Guess It all depends on our core beliefs…I mean about whether abortion is right or not.
Oh, Antipop, I found out sin has gravity in terms of its effects
Alas, these topics never have consensus.
Well, from me…no more comment.
Antipop: The Law punishes – by death – anybody who murders Kony. I’m worse than Kony, and still the Law punishes – by death! – whoever murders me.
These two – Kony and I – are surely bad. Our past reveals us as worthy of killing. And yet the Law, and common human decency (see also: the Mato ‘Put Legal System of Acholiland) says that we shouldn’t be stabbed and stuffed in a bucket.
How much more, then, for one whose evil has not yet been expressed? We don’t say that you shouldn’t abort potentially-good people. We say do not murder.
Again, I feel the need to reiterate: I am not against murder. I will murder when the need arises. I have no problems with stabbing people to death. That I carry a dagger on my person all the time is a matter of record. But I am against the idea that abortion is any less than that glorious act of murder. Abortion, if it has any glory to it, does only because it is murder.
(Sorry about doing two-fold comments – I hope this is the last time):
Antipop, it is a moral issue, if murder is a moral issue. Is there any moral thou-shalt-not about murder? If yes, then there is one about abortion. I only draw the equivalence of the two, and let the implication be the worry of other people.
But murder – in my opinion – is okay. I just have to be the one doing it.
When does the foetus become human anyway? The very minute at conception, when it moves from zygote to embryo or eight weeks later when it becomes a fetus when everything is recognisable. Who draws the line on exactly what one is murdering? To some even taking the morning after pill to prevent implantation of a zygote into the uterus is murder. To others if its still an embryo its just a clot of blood maybe thats why I havent yet heard of a law that sentences anyone to death if they have done or encouraged to do an abortion.
@Baz: i hear you!
PHEW!
and I learnt to stay away from some people…and that religion is one of those things you can never win about in an argument; coz that’s what this boils down to-religious/moral beliefs
I say it’s not a human until it loses that tail, so go a head and kill it if you really want to. We kill things with tails all the time and no one ever runs around crying “murder”.
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